Can You Be Saved but Not Born Again

03-13-2010, 03:xv PM

Different words are used for these 2 things however I run across that people tend to think that they are the aforementioned thing - I would have thought that if they were the same thing only i give-and-take would take been used to describe information technology.

How I think of it is that beingness saved is saved from wrath and judgment - nosotros are chosen to believe and repent and exist saved.

When it talks virtually existence built-in again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (however we know that while we are in the flesh we will sin) it is function of being human.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye accept purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned dearest of the brethren, run into that ye love one another with a pure center fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for e'er.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is built-in of God.
1Jn iii:x In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth non righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his blood brother.

03-13-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted past ForHimByHim View Post

Ane must exist built-in over again of the h2o and of the Spirit in order to exist saved. Of the water is all the spiritual benifits of water baptism in Jesus Christ name. Built-in of the Spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Maybe scripture to back up what you lot say - where is the scripture that says be born again and you will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be built-in once more and exist saved -----

and yes, I practise know that being built-in again is past the Holy Spirit.

03-13-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by meerkat2 View Post

Different words are used for these two things however I meet that people tend to think that they are the same thing - I would take thought that if they were the aforementioned thing merely one give-and-take would have been used to describe it.

How I think of it is that beingness saved is saved from wrath and judgment - we are called to believe and repent and be saved.

When it talks near being born again - information technology is specifically of the spirit and the disability of being able to sin (notwithstanding we know that while we are in the flesh we will sin) it is office of being human.

1Pe one:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned dearest of the brethren, see that ye love one some other with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe ane:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, past the word of God, which liveth and abideth for e'er.

1Jn iii:ix Whosoever is built-in of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, considering he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is non of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Regeneration = beingness born again = being saved. Dissimilar words to draw the same thing.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being built-in again' which ways you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Existence saved or built-in once more ways the believer is now a part of the regal family unit of God.

John 3:7 ''Do not marvel that I said to you,

'Y'all must be born again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts sixteen:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you volition be saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God every bit per 1 John 1:ix. That's why the believer is allowable to be filled with the Spirit. Eph. five:18.

The believer is either under the command of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the command of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. one Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians iv:30.

03-xiii-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted past meerkat2 View Post

Mayhap scripture to back upwards what you say - where is the scripture that says exist built-in again and you will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and exist saved - non be built-in again and be saved -----

and yes, I practise know that being born once again is by the Holy Spirit.

The word "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is often not easy to define past using one event. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, but each term beingness a distinct element of beingness saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born amid many brethren;
Rom 8:thirty and whom He predestined, these He also chosen; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the give-and-take salvation, but we perceive those events happening at specific moments in fourth dimension. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cantankerous, some parts of our conservancy occur at regeneration (the new nascence) that nosotros participate in by faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and nevertheless more at the final resurrection. Salvation (it's significant) is circuitous when 1 considers all it's aspects that will, in the cease, conform us to the image of Christ.

03-13-2010, 04:37 PM

Interestingly, the term "saved" is used of

believers

in three dissimilar ways, or tenses:

In the past tense:

2Ti 1:9 who has saved united states, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own

In the present tense:

1Co i:18 For the give-and-take of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, only to u.s. who are beingness saved information technology is the ability of God.

And in the future tense:

Rom 5:ten For if while nosotros were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, nosotros shall be saved by His life.

03-13-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post

Regeneration = being born again = existence saved. Dissimilar words to describe the same affair.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born once again' which means you lot are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Being saved or built-in again means the believer is at present a part of the royal family unit of God.

John 3:vii ''Practice non curiosity that I said to you,

'You lot must be built-in once again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you will be saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes nether the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of libidinousness until he names the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. That'southward why the believer is commanded to exist filled with the Spirit. Eph. five:18.

The believer is either under the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. one Thessalonians v:19; Ephesians 4:thirty.

And so then would you consider "eternal life" to mean regeneration?

03-13-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted past AlabamaStorm View Post

The discussion "saved" IMO carries a lot of pregnant and is oft not easy to define by using one event. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, just each term being a distinct element of being saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the paradigm of His Son, that He might be the kickoff-born amid many brethren;
Rom 8:thirty and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He likewise justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the discussion salvation, but we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity by, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cantankerous, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in past faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more than at the final resurrection. Conservancy (it's meaning) is complex when 1 considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, adjust us to the prototype of Christ.

Do you lot think that the rebirth is the procedure and then and not simply a one time event? And tin the rebirth hateful a rebirth of humanity or is it an individual thing?

I believe that none of these things can come most until one has a circumcised middle... which God lone can do...

I recollect some people have the cart before the equus caballus and so believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing procedure when the scripture is clear information technology is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt y'all anew (considering he is the potter and you are the clay) and then he can exercise and so at anytime he chooses, whether after death or before, or perchance it is as another poster said that Decease itself is the re-sculpting (cut away the bad and leaving the good), so that y'all tin can die to the flesh or you can die in the flesh.

Anyhow, Expert mail 'bamastorm

03-13-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post

Do yous recollect that the rebirth is the process and then and not just a one time consequence? And can the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is it an private thing?

I believe that none of these things tin can come about until i has a circumcised centre... which God lonely can do...

I think some people have the cart before the equus caballus and then believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing procedure when the scripture is clear information technology is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt you anew (because he is the potter and yous are the dirt) then he can do so at anytime he chooses, whether later death or before, or mayhap it is as another affiche said that Death itself is the re-sculpting (cutting away the bad and leaving the good), then that yous can die to the flesh or you lot can die in the flesh.

Anyway, Adept mail 'bamastorm

I call back our hearts being circumcised, or our rebirth of the Spirit, is a one time event for each person, but like you say, it only comes about past God'south will and on His time schedule. When that upshot takes place nosotros're able to receive the things of God and experience the fruits of the Spirit in our daily lives. Those blessings and fruits of the Spirit sculpt us into the image of Christ. I suppose collectively (an interesting indicate you bring up) it may too mean a rebirth of humanity when God is all in all.

1Co xv:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, so the Son also himself shall exist subject area to Him, who did subject field to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

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